Discussion in 'Fish and Invertebrates' started by pixelpixi, Jan 10, 2010.

  1. pixelpixi

    pixelpixi Guest

    I was in the Emeryville pet club today. I never buy fish there, but it's a couple blocks from work and they have cheap cat litter. I was shocked to see that they had an arapaima gigas for sale. It was a baby, probably 12-16". In all likelihood it'll end up in someone's tank who has no idea how big it gets or that it's a threatened species.

    So sad! :(
  2. LordHelmet

    LordHelmet Supporting Member

    it sucks to because if you bought this to save it they would go and buy another to take it's place. I saw this at the petco by my work years ago, they bought 4 big Corcea clams that died in their tanks.
  3. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    They are farmed Arapaima, not wild. Wilds are illegal.
  4. Gomer

    Gomer Honorary Member

    Good that they aren't illegal, but there is still an ethical responsibility part here. Why on earth would these be available at an LFS. People buy Pacu and RedTail Cats for 30-50g tanks at home were bad this monster is added? Beautiful fish which has no right to be distributed to the normal hobbiest.

  5. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Yup and they sell farmed baby sturgeon as well. Hell Jim is selling baby groupers that get 4' and will outgrow just about every hobbyists tank in no time at all.
  6. Gomer

    Gomer Honorary Member

    It's cool that they can captive breed these monster sized fish. It's cool that they have a way to help counter an endangered list when it exists. It's cool when captive breeding allows for a captive fish farm for food. It is not cool when these are offered to the public with such haphazard ease. I was a bit miffed when Jim had those bass. I know they fit in with the idea of captive bred. I will however note that I personally overheard Jim warn people who were interested in them, on just how big they would get. I don't think he sold any on opening night for this reason (people warned. Heck, my wife wanted one lol) This doesn't mean I think he should have had them on stock. On the other hand, I have been to LFSs where the store staff would willfully sell red cats to a kid for his newly setup 20g. Pacu are also frequently sold (witnessed many times) to people wanting something piranha like.

    I'm sure there are some people out there with private multi thousand gallon systems which can properly house these types of fish, and that is awesome :) ...and I'm sure that these people could get these guys (legally etc) even if they weren't LFS offered (which they shouldn't be)

    /pet peeve
  7. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    You don't see me owning or have owned any of the above :)
  8. Gomer

    Gomer Honorary Member

    Never said you did and I don't think I implied it :)

    I must say that I am guilty of having owned a "common" pleco for a 29g (ignorance at the time)
  9. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    ;) Nor was I implying you did. Not everything centers around your posts :p
  10. Gomer

    Gomer Honorary Member posts do have their own gravitational field!
    sequential posts just made it seem like you may have replied to me.

    ..but back on topic :-D
    Do these fish end up in LFSs purely to make a quick buck? Is there no real mechanism to keep them out of the LFS?
  11. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Yup for the most part on #1 and #2, nope other then an outright ban, then they'll just be sold behind the scenes as someone will always smuggle them in. The sad fact is the trade won't self regulate so it's waiting for the Fed's to drop the hammer.
  12. tuberider

    tuberider Guest

    There will be one soon if that kind of crap keeps up, it will be called "get rid of your tank because the hobby is shut down"
  13. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    HR 669 is still out there. If passed, bye bye ALL imported fish/corals/inverts/plants!!!

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