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But how much does it cost?

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But how much does it cost? Do you really want to know?

From PG&E website under electrical schedules/residential.

Total Energy Rates ($ per kWh)
Baseline Usage $0.11877
101% - 130% of Baseline $0.13502
131% - 200% of Baseline $0.29062
201% - 300% of Baseline $0.40029
Over 300% of Baseline $0.40029

So time to take the test.
  • Let's assume that you're at the MAX PG&E rate for Maximum Effect.
    [*]The math is a little rounded off but close enough to get the point.
    I've thrown in some MFG specs for power draw but obviously your mileage may vary.


8 hrs/day - say your lights, let's look at popular MH wattages.
0.4 $/kWh
watts cost/yr
70 $80.64
150 $172.80
175 $201.60
250 $288.00
400 $460.80
1000 $1,152.00


24 hrs/day - say your pumps, or your calcium reactor solenoid, etc...
0.4
watts cost/yr
3.5 $12.10 tunze nanostream 6015
5 $17.28 Mag 3
8 $27.65 MP10 MIN
10 $34.56 MP40 MIN, MP60 MIN, eheim 1048
15 $51.84
18 $62.21 MP10 MAX
20 $69.12 MJ 1200
25 $86.40
28 $96.77 Skimmer pump
30 $103.68 MP40 MAX
35 $120.96
40 $138.24
45 $155.52 panworld 40/Mag 5
50 $172.80
55 $190.08
60 $207.36 MP60 MAX
65 $224.64 eheim 1260
70 $241.92 mag 7
75 $259.20
80 $276.48 eheim 1262
85 $293.76
90 $311.04 mag 9.5
95 $328.32
100 $345.60
105 $362.88
110 $380.16 mag 12
115 $397.44
120 $414.72
125 $432.00
130 $449.28
135 $466.56
140 $483.84
145 $501.12 mag 18
150 $518.40
155 $535.68
160 $552.96 sequence 4200 pump

Enjoy!
 
Great info Dave. I added a few from mfg specs.

Looks like I am at about $250 pm at max rates (excluding when my heaters and chillers are on). the big surprise to me was the difference between the wattage of a Mag 3 and a MJ 1200.
 
I see PG&E finally adjusted their rates. There was such an outcry due to the smart meters (which unfortunately for hot central CA were rolled out in the summer time) that they lowered the bills.... for the most energy hogs out there. Tier 1 & 2 look similar, Tier 3 looks to have taken a huge jump, where as Tier 5 actually is a reduction. Hell the fact that some of us on the coastal cities that don't "need" air conditioning, we get screwed three ways to Sunday because we actually use less energy it costs us more for what we do use because our baseline quantity is lower than the rest of the state, the East bay/San Jose gets about 150% of what we get for a baseline, the central valley gets over 200% our baseline usage.. *frown*

But if you're already in the 300% of baseline, before counting your fish tank... wooboy hope you got a good job to pay for that electric bill.

Also makes you rethink how "saving money" on a cheaper pump won't really save you much money.

Take a Seio 2600 vs Tunze 6085
Both non-controllable (at least out of the box), both roughly the same water flow.
Tunze is about $100 more than the Seio
Tunze however is roughly 40 watts less energy (55w vs 14w)
Looking at the above (24 hour/day list) 40W translates to $138 in one year difference. So in less than a year you saved money... (with some wiggle room considering your heaters won't be on nearly as long with the Seio vs the Tunze :D)
 
sfsuphysics said:
I see PG&E finally adjusted their rates. There was such an outcry due to the smart meters (which unfortunately for hot central CA were rolled out in the summer time) that they lowered the bills.... for the most energy hogs out there. Tier 1 & 2 look similar, Tier 3 looks to have taken a huge jump, where as Tier 5 actually is a reduction. Hell the fact that some of us on the coastal cities that don't "need" air conditioning, we get screwed three ways to Sunday because we actually use less energy it costs us more for what we do use because our baseline quantity is lower than the rest of the state, the East bay/San Jose gets about 150% of what we get for a baseline, the central valley gets over 200% our baseline usage.. *frown*

But if you're already in the 300% of baseline, before counting your fish tank... wooboy hope you got a good job to pay for that electric bill.

Also makes you rethink how "saving money" on a cheaper pump won't really save you much money.

Take a Seio 2600 vs Tunze 6085
Both non-controllable (at least out of the box), both roughly the same water flow.
Tunze is about $100 more than the Seio
Tunze however is roughly 40 watts less energy (55w vs 14w)
Looking at the above (24 hour/day list) 40W translates to $138 in one year difference. So in less than a year you saved money... (with some wiggle room considering your heaters won't be on nearly as long with the Seio vs the Tunze :D)
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Precisely why I put this up.

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Go solar. If you can reduce the usage down to 100%-130%, that's about a 65% reduction in cost.

Not counting the capital expense of the solar system, of course.
 
sid700 said:
Go solar. If you can reduce the usage down to 100%-130%, that's about a 65% reduction in cost.

Not counting the capital expense of the solar system, of course.
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Can you loan me the 20 grand it will take to go solar? :)
 
I am at about $170/mo at max rates but... because I have solar I never pay that.
So in reality its more like $50/mo.
 
seminolecpa said:
sid700 said:
Go solar. If you can reduce the usage down to 100%-130%, that's about a 65% reduction in cost.

Not counting the capital expense of the solar system, of course.
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Can you loan me the 20 grand it will take to go solar? :)
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You'd pay interest, of course??
 
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