For those that run sump with no filter sock

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by newhobby, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. newhobby

    newhobby Guest

    What do you do to avoid the salt spray from bubbles that come down from drain and burst?
    I'd like to run my drain without sock, but want to avoid that nasty salt spray.
  2. Erick

    Erick Guest

    I extended the drain tube underwater.
  3. Apon

    Apon Volunteer

    add a sponge to the bubbles hit that under the water
  4. Thales

    Thales Past President

    Make an 'umbrella' with some semi rigid plastic.
  5. newhobby

    newhobby Guest

    Well, the sponge and underwater route doesn't work for me. They would still let the bubbles pass and be inside the sump.
    Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
    My drain pulls a lot of air, which in turn makes a lot of micro bubbles that explode when they surface.
    The micro bubble burst is what creates the mist.
    Right now, I have a filter sock that keeps all the bubble explosion to the inside of the sock and I have very minimal to not even noticeable mist.
    I use a drawstring type to close the top side of the sock.
    The umbrella idea looks better, but without the sock, I'd have to cover the entire compartment, which also houses the skimmer and would make it almost impossible to contain all the area with the skimmer in the way.
    The only solution I could find was to use a recirculating skimmer and use the drain to feed the skimmer.
    Drawback of that is the return would have to be dialed down considerably, right?
  6. Erick

    Erick Guest

    I took Tuberider's suggestion and turned down the output of my return pump to lower the volume of my tank. I was getting a lot of noise from the drain. Maybe that is what makes less bubbles for me?
  7. Mr. Ugly

    Mr. Ugly Past President

    I dialed down my return pump flow so that I wouldn't get so much air entrainment.

    Also used 1.5 inch pvc for a submerged drain and ran a vent on the horizontal portion to let out any trapped air.

    Minimal bubbles and minimal noise.
  8. tuberider

    tuberider Guest

    You can place the return several inches below the waters surface and add an open T with a small riser above where the return penetrates the water, that will allow the gas to escape instead of forcing the gas to penetrate the water.
  9. bee505

    bee505 Supporting Member

    I have the same issue with the return making a mess. You can try to extend the tubing for the return so that the water returns below the water line. I used a large filter pad that floats on the water surface. The bubble would then rise to the top but below the filter pad and pops there instead.
  10. newhobby

    newhobby Guest

    I'll try the vent escape idea.
    I've seem them on some other post somewhere and it was being called reverse durso, but the purpose was to minimize the noise.
    I can see it serving the purpose of containing the bubbles inside too.
  11. newhobby

    newhobby Guest

    But, out of curiosity on opinions, is there any disadvantage on having a very low turn over on the return?
    In my visit to reefers in Brazil, they seem to run tanks with very little turn over. Something like 1:1 ratio. 60gph on a 60g tank.
    They were using closed loop for internal flow.
    So, my question is: if I have enough internal flow, do I really need a really high ratio on the return?
  12. sfboarders

    sfboarders Guest

    Use a reverse durso with a fatter pipe to slow the water down.
  13. LeviT

    LeviT Guest

    As long as you have enough flow i can't think of anything bad about having a low turnover rate. Even if you were using a filter sock to help remove sediment you just need enough flow in your display to keep it suspended in the water column until it gets removed via the overflow.
  14. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    No need for lots of return pump turnover. I wouldn't go less than 1:1 though
  15. anathema

    anathema Guest

    Less dissolved oxygen, maybe, but if you have a skimmer probably not.
  16. Mr. Ugly

    Mr. Ugly Past President

    Oxygen should be fine if you have high in-tank flow rates.
  17. houser

    houser Past President

    If you dose a lot into the sump you could get extra precipitation if the flow is too low.
    Could mess with your pH alarms if your probe is down there.
    If you're running heaters and probes down there can be thermal differences between tank and sump.
    Sump could be cooler than your halide-lit tank, fans might not kick on if temperature probes are down there until enough hot water makes it down.
    You skim the hell out of your sump but not your tank.

    Same stuff I deal with running somewhere south of 3:1 turnover. There are ways around it all though.
  18. magnetar68

    magnetar68 Guest

    I use a spihon durso with a gate valve for the drain. This pulls down a lot more water than an open channel and there is no air, so once the siphon is started there are no bubbles coming down the drain into the sump.
  19. newhobby

    newhobby Guest

    I only have one drain pipe and would only feel comfortable doing this if I had 2 drains.
    Any difference on volume passing through that gate would affect level on DT, which could possibly lead to a flood, doesn't it?
  20. newhobby

    newhobby Guest

    Yeah, good point.
    My next trip out there, I'll ask them what they do about that.
    They use constant kalk drip and no dosing, though.
    Temperature in there is a bit different than here too.

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