HELP, Frogspawn showing skeleton, water parameters

Discussion in 'Tank Journals' started by Klems, Jul 5, 2015.

  1. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    Hello all, I have a BC14 I started about 6 months ago and have upgraded the lighting to trulumen LEDs, intank basket, mj900 pump and koralia 240. I have also recently started using BRS Rox .8 and their GFO in filter bags. My question is, is my water too clean. Should I run only 1/2 their recommended doses?

    My parameters are all pretty stable: CA- 400, Alk- 8, Nitrate - 0,
    PH- 8.1, Mag- 1300

    But I have seen that my Nitrite is anywhere from 2.0-5.0....can't figure out why.... Have 2 clown fish, a tailspot blenny, cleaner shrimp and CUC (snails and crabs). Nobody has died yet. Have done lots of water changes, but cannot get nirtites to zero. It goes down to 1.0 or 2.0...then rises again.Any ideas?

    Thanks
    Klems
     

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  2. Vhuang168

    Vhuang168 Supporting Member

    What test kit are you using for Nitrite? Have you tested for Ammonia?
     
  3. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    API for both: Ammonia is zero...already went through the full cycle back in January....
    When I test the salt and RO/DI water from Neptune it comes back at zero...
     
  4. Vhuang168

    Vhuang168 Supporting Member

    I would try a different test kit or have Neptune test them for you.
     
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  5. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    Test kit could suck, you could be doing it wrong...
    Or something crazy could be happening with your tank. Off the too of my head I can't think why there would be nitrite without ammonia or nitrate... Unless you are lacking some bacteria? Maybe try to boost you bio filtering bacteria somehow. Bottled bacteria or live sand etc...?
     
  6. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    I would go lightly with carbon if you intend to constantly use it. .8 stuff is very effective.
    For GFO:
    What's your phosphate reading? Before GFO use and after?
    Do you have any algae issues? I would usually say use somewhere around the recommended amount to slightly more, building up from maybe a half dose initially.
     
  7. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    With the API test they were always low before(used chemipure and phosguard in the media basket)

    My phosphate readings are currently zero....even took to Neptune and paid $3 for them to test... Came back undetectable...
     
  8. Enderturtle

    Enderturtle Volunteer

    A nitrate reading of 2 to 5 is nothing to worry about. I start worrying about nitrates if they're higher than 20ppm, especially since I'm not doing acros.

    Your frogspawn could be receding because:

    1) Too much flow
    2) Too much light
    3) Crab/Fish is bothering it.
    4) Some corals are just....unhealthy. I've had a 2 polyp torch where one head decided to slowly die. The remaining head is alive and well today.

    Are any of these an issue?

    I dont think your tank is too clean. I had nitrates at 0 and phosphates at 0 for the longest time and my frogspawn was doing fine.
     
  9. Vhuang168

    Vhuang168 Supporting Member

    He has 0 Nitrates but 2-5 Nitrites.
     
  10. Enderturtle

    Enderturtle Volunteer

    Oh damn. Yeah I'm betting its a bad test kit.

    Since Nitrite is something for NEW tanks. Don't waste your money on buying a new nitrite test kit unless you plan on setting up new tanks. I live in San Mateo you can have my Salifert Nitrite test kit for free.

    Or I recommend bringing your water in to Neptunes and have them test your nitrites.
     
  11. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    OK, will head down to Neptune tomorrow....but since the kit gives me a different reading from my tank water (purple) vs the rodi and saltwater from Neptune(light blue)...I think the API test is not the problem
     
  12. Vhuang168

    Vhuang168 Supporting Member

    If the test is not the problem then you may have a mini cycle going on. Something died n is decomposing maybe?
     
  13. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    Went down to Neptune today and the nitrite is still there...(nothing wrong with the test kit) Also tested:
    Mg- 1320
    Alk- 8.3

    Going to do some water changes to see if that helps....
     
  14. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    I would maybe try some bottled bacteria or established rock or sand.
     
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  15. wpeterson

    wpeterson Webmaster

    Nitrite indicates that the tank isn't cycled - that you're getting Ammonia building up that isn't getting processed all the way through the nitrogen cycle by your bacteria. You ay be able to dose some bacterial starter to help ease this process along.

    Alternately, runnning fine-grained carbon or GFO in a filter back can be a problem if you aren't rinsing out the fines well in advance or the filter material is allowing GFO or carbon to get into the water column. These can both irritate coral or fish if you have a lot of fine grained debris in the water column or substrate from filter media.
     
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  16. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    I did have some BRS GFO in a boyd media bag x2 because when I was rinsing it I noticed that small granules were still coming out of the bag. Maybe the two bags weren't enough? Will try to do a cleaning of the back compartment and siphon out as much as I can.
     
  17. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    Just rinse well and put in a place where there isn't enough flow to shake it up
     
  18. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    I rinsed it for about 5 minutes and then double bagged it and placed it in my intank media basket. There shouldn't be crazy flow back there...
     
  19. Klems

    Klems Supporting Member

    Looks like the big water changes are working on bringing the nitrite levels down a bunch....also noticed the saltwater I was getting from the LFS was actually lower than advertised with respect to All...which explains why I was having to dose it almost every day.

    I have added some baking soda with rodi water to it and will just have to monitor it each time I fill up.(probably should have been doing that anyway) :)
     
  20. Enderturtle

    Enderturtle Volunteer

    One thing I learned is to always test your saltwater's salinity no matter where ya get it from.

    Mistakes can happen even at the Local Fish Store.

    Good luck and keep us updated :)
     

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