Ich: Finding My Truth (amidst the gazillion philosophies, schools of thought and approaches)

Discussion in 'Fish and Invertebrates' started by dmhinsf, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. dmhinsf

    dmhinsf Guest

    Many thanks, David and Mark.

    That is EXACTLY the type of information that I needed.

    OK. Now I'm thinking QT tank for fish as per standard practice. I'll have to trap that Goby some how. Thing is, access to the overflow is limited and space within the overflow is smallish with 3 dursos and 2 returns - and the pesky little guy is at the bottom. Netting him is impossible. I almost fell in my tank and crashed 4 Vega modules trying to do it once.

    We will see how I go.

    I've gotten bits of advice to just let things run their course and see if the fish kick the ich on their own and get some sort of immunity. Thing is I want my fish to thrive and not just survive and if they are feeling bitten or stung or any kind of pain related to ich (even if they have some immunity), I won't be at peace with that.

    Does a fish with immunity, still feel the pains (pricks, bites, stifled oxygenation from gills being full of it) of ich infestation? The questions just build and build around this. Does any one know of a reputable journal or article or magazine to reference. I am definitely marking my calendar for the Feb 9 BARs event.
     
  2. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Regarding Goby:
    Does the Durso pull out of the bulkhead?
    If it does, he should get slurped down the drain into the sump, with a waiting net.
    Depends on pipe sizes and so on of course.

    Side note : A Catalina Goby is a cold water fish.

    Tiny barbless hook with a bit of shrimp might work as well. Go fishing.
     
  3. BAYMAC

    BAYMAC Guest

    FWIW IIRC most bacteria found in NSW conditions do just fine in brackish conditions, as will quite a bit of the life in the sand and rock.
     
  4. BAYMAC

    BAYMAC Guest

    No, its a sub-tropical fish that can adapt to warmer tanks. Cold water would be a temperate fish, and they do not live past Santa Barbara for the most part, so they don't live in that much of the temperate zone.
     
  5. gimmito

    gimmito Supporting Member

    You might want to purchase The Marine Fish Health & Feeding Handbook that our February speaker Lance Ichinotsubo co-authored. It discusses different ways to treat various common diseases including cryptocaryon (ich).
     
  6. dmhinsf

    dmhinsf Guest

    Thanks ALL!

    And thank you for the reference, Gimmito. I will be at the talk and will buy the book (if not sooner, at the event).

    Re: goby in overflow...I may try some sort of suction technique to get him out. It would be so much easier if I could just remove my corals and do hypo in the DT.

    I'm going to go read up on that 5 gallon bucket routine. Lord knows I have a ton of em.
     
  7. dmhinsf

    dmhinsf Guest

    Also, any comments on fish with perceived immunity (note that I am not stating with certainty that immunity to ich is a reality proven scientifically) having discomfort associated with the parasite. If they are "immune" does that mean ich stays off them or does it just stay undetected?
     
  8. gimmito

    gimmito Supporting Member

    I wouldn't say the fish become immune to ich, but rather learn to live with it. Cryptocaryon will go through it's typical life cycle and that's why many aquarists think their fish have built an immunity to ich when they don't see any spots...only to see it rear its ugly head towards the end of its life cycle.
     
  9. aqua-nut

    aqua-nut Supporting Member

    When I first read dmhinsf's immunity post I was about to go off on a 'there ain't no such thing' rant. I read thru this thread on Reef Central ( http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738 ) and found out there is work under way to develop vaccines to prevent Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans). So maybe it is possible to develop some sort of natural immunity.

    Perhaps it's a resistance that is possible when they are heathy and have robust immune systems? Stronger cell walls, 'better' slime coat, or a slime coat that can react to the invasion more effectively?
     
  10. gimmito

    gimmito Supporting Member

    I've heard some research being done in the area of probiotics. Hopefully, one day we will never have to hear those dreaded words "my fish have ich."
     
  11. tankguy

    tankguy Vice President

    I add it straight to the tank every other day
     
  12. ReefLove

    ReefLove Guest

    Orange Juice ? :)
     
  13. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Agree that sub-tropical is a more precise term.
    But everything I read says they prefer 65 degree water, and will slowly cook and have a short lifespan in our 78+ reef tanks.

    http://www.wetwebmedia.com/lythrypnus.htm

    I am not trying to be like the "Tang Police", and I have no personal experience with them.
    But Dennis seemed to be concerned with fish Thriving, more than just Surviving.
     
  14. Thales

    Thales Past President

    I haven't ever seen any credible evidence that Vitamin C is effective at anything in reef tanks. It seems to be one of those things that floats around that no one can supply evidence for except that they heard it works. As usual, I would love to be wrong. :D
     
  15. gimmito

    gimmito Supporting Member

    How about bananas ? :p
     
  16. Kensington Reefer

    Kensington Reefer Supporting Member

    Another ingredient!
     
  17. Thales

    Thales Past President

    Ha! Hitler knows bananas don't cure ich!
     
  18. Kensington Reefer

    Kensington Reefer Supporting Member

  19. gimmito

    gimmito Supporting Member

    We need the video.
     
  20. Thales

    Thales Past President

    https://vimeo.com/10983310
     

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