In the beginning...

Discussion in 'Tank Journals' started by Flagg37, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

  2. scuzy

    scuzy Supporting Member

    Did you try it out? Is it the same?


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  3. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    It's supposed to arrive tomorrow by 8:00. I'll see if I've got time to try it out that night.
     
  4. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Weird, looks totally like a bacterial bloom, but 2 weeks...
    My random thoughts:
    Wait a few more weeks before doing anything drastic.
    Keep the filter socks going.
    Check TDS on RO water.
    Is the cloudiness really in the water, or on the glass?
    Make sure to oxygenate water well, in case it is bacteria.
    More carbon.
    It looks like you are still in the diatom phase a bit, so things are just going slow.
     
  5. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    The tds coming out of the rodi is 0 but I'll check what is coming out of the barrel.
    When I first started noticing the cloudiness I was cleaning the glass twice a day for a couple days. Now it's about every other day but it's not the glass.
    I have the returns out of the water so it's creating a lot of surface agitation and the skimmer is going full time.
    I could add more AC. I just went by the manufacturer's recommendation.
    Definitely a lot of diatoms still. As @Vhuang168 put it, "it's still in its ugly phase".
     
  6. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    So after class at night I should just rinse my hands off in the tank and super clarity? :D
     
  7. xcaret

    xcaret Supporting Member

    Take a long relaxing bath.

    ...in the tank of course.
     
  8. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    Ride it out. It will be ok...
    Unless the wife is busting your balls that is.
     
  9. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    image.jpg I just added it. I mixed 1/2 tsp in about 6 oz of rodi water and poured it in over one of the WAV pumps. It for sure made it more cloudy but all the corals are extended as much as before so it doesn't appear to be causing any negative issues. I'll check it later to see if it's any clearer than before I put it in.
     
  10. Ibn

    Ibn Supporting Member

    Bacterial bloom. I went through the same thing when I started my tank and it lasted nearly a month. I just let it ride out since it resembled green water in FWP tanks, which I've had experience with before. Hazy for that month, but clear water ever since.
     
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  11. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    What causes a bacteria bloom? Is it harmful to any of the livestock? Is there anything that I should be doing differently to help it go away?
     
  12. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    If Calcium Carbonate Powder works, I definitely suggest siphoning the sand.
    https://www.amazon.com/Python-Pro-C...00BDPFYEI/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
    It is a flocculant, and from what I hear/understand, most will end up in your sand bed as fine particles, not end up in the skimmer.
    That siphoning will help with the diatoms as well.

    But really: If you are still in the diatom phase, relax, give it time.
    It is supposed to look like crap for a while.

    A bit less likely, but part of that could be micro-bubbles.
    Look in your sump : Do you see a fair amount of bubbles making it to your return pump?
    Look carefully at the return: Are any bubbles coming out?
     
  13. RandyC

    RandyC Supporting Member

    http://www.fishforums.net/threads/bacterial-blooms-explained.246850/

    From the above link:

    What is a Bacterial Bloom?

    There are 2 types of bacteria at work in our tanks

    Autotrophic Bacteria - Bacteria capable of synthesizing its own food from inorganic substances, using light or chemical energy. Our beneficial filter bacteria are autotrophs.

    Heterotrophic Bacteria - Bacteria that cannot synthesize its own food and is dependent on complex organic substances for nutrition. The heterotrophs in our aquariums mineralise the organic waste (break down the uneaten food, fish waste, dead plant matter etc into ammonia).

    Contrary to popular belief, it is commonly the heterotrophs which are seen in our bacterial blooms, not our trusted autotroph nitrifiers.

    It is the heterotrophs which are primarily responsible for creating the "bio-film" (slimy residue found on the tank walls and ornaments) which builds up in our aquariums.

    The heterotrophs are generally bigger than the autotrophs and therefore don't attach themselves to surfaces with the same ease. They also reproduce much more quickly. Heterotrophs can reproduce in around 15 - 20 minutes, whereas autotrophs can take up to 24 hours to reproduce.

    In a newly set-up aquarium, the heterotrophs get to work quicker than the autotrophs, causing the 'cycling bloom' we so often see. Blooms are almost certainly heterotrophic if they are caused by a build up of organic waste in the substrate, which most, if not all, are.

    Bacterial blooms are common in tanks with apparently no organics present (for example, where all that is in the tank is water and ammonia for a fishless cycle). This is caused by the dechlorination of the water suddenly enabling the water to support bacterial populations. The heterotrophs immediately get to work on the organics in the water itself. The severity of the bloom and even whether a bloom happens at all is dependant upon the level of organics contained in the water supply.


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  14. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Usually heterotrophic bacteria feed on organic matter.
    Dirty rocks, sand, and so on.
    As opposed to the Autotrophic bacteria that help us in the Nitrogen cycle.
    You basically need time to let the latter take over.
    Siphoning gravel and turkey-basting rock can help.
     
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  15. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    It didn't do anything for the cloudiness, but I'm more convinced that it is bacteria. I've had a cold the past few days so I've been stuffy and can't smell anything but my family just told me this morning that the smell from the fish tank is getting worse. Apparently it's been smelling for days.
     
  16. Vhuang168

    Vhuang168 Supporting Member

    How is the skimmate?


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  17. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Check ammonia levels if it smells.
     
  18. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    Seems normal. Wet but dark.

    I'll check that when I get home.

    On a separate matter, I found my first unwanted pest in the tank and it's a dusie.
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    It's in the front corner of my sump. I'm not quite sure what he hitched a ride on.
     
  19. Ibn

    Ibn Supporting Member

    Happens. I have some bristleworms and aips that came on a piece of sponge tunicate combo. I dip everything and took a chance on them and it didn't work out so well.

    I ended up picking up Koko's copper banded butterfly a month ago and just noticed it consuming some of the aips yesterday. I'll be happy once they're gone.
     
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  20. yellojello

    yellojello Supporting Member

    I got a peppermint shrimp about a year ago and thought it died shortly after. I was moving my big RBTA a two weeks ago, and found it at the base of it's feet onto my hand. Freaked me out!

    But I did wonder there was a large single aptasia on my center rock and why it never made more. I used Aptasia-X on it a few days before finding the peppermint. Now I hope the shrimp doesn't starve! Plenty of pellets and detritus for it though. :)
     

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