Let talk chalice

Discussion in 'Coral' started by northbay-reefer, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Umm grass is naturally fertilized by animals. It in fact is design to be fertilized simply by how it grows (creeps, "encrusts" for a larger surface area ;)

    Spot feeding baster style) can harm the "insides" of the coral as well. I've done both and I ONLY broadcast after doing many trials. I've been feeding my corals since 1999 :D
  2. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    pseudo feces you mean? It's partially digested food, non digested food and other stuff rejected by the coral. The production of it takes away from the DEB (dynamic energy budget).
  3. Eight

    Eight Guest

    Sure, grass is naturally fertilized by animals, but it's not meant to be sprinkled with little granules of synthetic fertilizer that are manufactured in a lab and don't really chemically resemble cow poop... nor are tomatoes and spinach meant to be grown in vats of nutritionally enriched water with no soil... Yet these practices have been proven to improve growth and yield.

    Couldn't we consider 'appropriate target feeding' of corals analagous to 'fertilizing crops'? Neither is natural. Isn't it conceivable that target feeding when done properly with the right foods can be beneficial?

    I'm just not comfortable with the blanket statement of spot feeding being a definitive no-no.
  4. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    OK you are way off here.

    Grass has no mouths

    Coral polyps has a specific size range, feed type and amount they can handle. More goes to waste and creates a minus on their energy budget, not a positive gain. I can't put it in any plainer language.

    Feel what you must but me experience with feeding corals is pretty damn diverse and long and not only have I found that to be pretty darn true, so have dozens of other very experienced aquarists.
  5. Eight

    Eight Guest

    I specifically acknowledged that appropriate food, particle size and type of polyp all need to be considered when spot feeding in my prior post.

    You make the assumption that spot feeding automatically results in overfeeding. Well, what if that coral happens to be able to handle a larger amount of food? i.e.: a dendro? or a scoly? Or what if one spot fed a food that was less dense or heavily diluted? Then isn't it possible that spot feeding could be appropriate?

    I used grass as an analogy. The example wasn't meant to be taken literally. My point is that just because something is not natural does not mean it is definitively in all cases detrimental. We do a lot of 'unnatural' things in this hobby, some of them because we cannot perfectly simulate nature and others because we believe that they artificially enhance either the health, growth or appearance of our corals... (elevated temperature, elevated Alk/Ca for faster coral growth, lower salinity for marine fish, etc.)

    I am just trying to have an open discussion and not calling into doubt your experience or expertise. (No need to call me 'way off' or list your credentials... I know you have more years of experience than I. :p)
  6. xinumaster

    xinumaster Guest

    Sorry, guys. :love:

    Is that a superman chalice?
  7. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Your assuming those corals are actually utilizing the larger amounts of food. Just because you see them take it in does not equate to them eating it.
  8. screebo

    screebo Supporting Member

    Screebo's feeding routine:

    I broadcast feed nominal amounts of Rod's food (original recipe) 3 times a day to fish and coral. I broadcast feed frozen Cyclopeeze with Elos SvC added once a week. Sometimes I use a baster to target zoa's and palys this mix during this broadcast. I will occasionally substitute spirolina fortified brine shrimp and mysis shrimp for the fish. I also dose my tank daily with Elos Proskimmer and Omega. Sometimes I give them a squirt of Articpods just because I can and it looks tasty to me!

    I "tweezer feed" mysis shrimp to my dendros, duncans and sun coral 2 or 3 times a week trying to hit every mouth in the colony. The duncans really respond to this method with lots of growth. Dendro's also. The duncans and dendros can eat 5 or 6 mysis per head and open up for more within a few minutes.

    I shut down my skimmer and return pump as well as put MP40s into "feed mode" for about 30 minutes while feeding.
  9. Eight

    Eight Guest

    Nope, not a superman chalice, just a cool one that I picked up from an online vendor. It's very pretty in person, although the distinction between the pink and blue isn't as marked as the vendor's photo. (not surprising)

    I'll try to take my own photo soon that perhaps better reflect its colors.
  10. Eight

    Eight Guest

    Can you over spot feed a coral to the point of detriment. Yes, I agree 100%. I've done it. Can spot feeding be done in an appropriate way with tangible benefits? Yes, I believe that as well.

    Please note, that I'm not saying broadcast feeding is bad/better/whatever. I'm not even comparing the two. As I've mentioned several times before, I'm just taking issue with the "spot feeding is always bad" statement. I think that statement needs to be qualified with a lot of other considerations like coral type, food type, frequency, food size, etc. etc. etc.

    Both spot feeding and broadcast feeding obviously work well for a lot of people.
  11. screebo

    screebo Supporting Member

    That is one fine looking chalice, Jason. We'll be expecting to see progress photos of just how fast that sukka grows!
  12. spot feeding is a pain...i just tried broadcast feeding...welll didn't work well to say the least....

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