Over feeding?

Discussion in 'Fish and Invertebrates' started by gunit, May 8, 2014.

  1. gunit

    gunit Guest

    I have a Bangaii Cardinal, a Two Spotted Blenny and a Yellow Watchman Goby. I typically feed once a day about a 1/8 of a frozen cube of either brine, mysis or bloodworms in addition to a tiny pinch of flake (2-4 large flakes crushed) or pellets (< 8).

    I have been dealing with higher than ideal nitrates (10-20) and it doesn't seem like the pick off every last drop of food so am I over feeding? What adjusts would people recommend?
     
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  2. Kensington Reefer

    Kensington Reefer Supporting Member

    A hungry fish is an angry fish in a weakened state. Feed the fish 4-6 times each day, in small amounts. A fish's stomach is about the size of 1 of their eyeballs. Nitrates...water changes and refugium
     
  3. FeliciaLynn

    FeliciaLynn Supporting Member

    Maybe beef up your clean up crew a bit? That's how I help keep things under control with frequent feedings in a smaller tank. I've got plenty of hermits to grab any uneaten food, so it isn't just rotting on the sand. Granted, hermits can be a pain, but there are other options like small serpent stars. I have a couple small serpent stars in my seahorse tank and they're amazing at picking up uneaten food. Also they're fun to watch.
     
  4. FeliciaLynn

    FeliciaLynn Supporting Member

    And then of course like Erin said, more frequent water changes, better filtration, and a refugium are all other options to help with this.
     
  5. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Do you thaw out and clean the fluids from your frozen cubes? I think it was Anthony Calfo who called the stuff that it's packed with (basically their food source) as "rocket fuel for algae"
     
  6. Yep, it was Calfo. Couldn't agree more.
     
  7. gunit

    gunit Guest

    Felicia, yeah I have 3-5 snails, a pistol shrimp, and 3 hermit crabs which I think should be enough no?

    Kensington, sorry I don't think I'm following. My question is if I feed once (twice max) per day what is the right amount for the fishes I have? I realize smaller amounts more often is ideal but unrealistic for me.

    As for your nitrate comment I also don't follow. I understand the role of a refugium and water changes to export nutrients.

    So it sounds to me like the amount isn't absurd just maybe figuring out a way to beef up filtration/nutrient export a bit.
     
  8. gunit

    gunit Guest

    sfsu, I do the whole thaw and drain tactic for my frozen food feedings.
     
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  9. euod

    euod Supporting Member

    +11111
    No such thing as overfeeding:)
    Stay hungry, my friends:)
     
  10. Kensington Reefer

    Kensington Reefer Supporting Member

    Eheim Auto feeder
     
  11. gunit

    gunit Guest

    Unfortunately my Bangaii is a picky eater and has only taken to eating frozen food. Otherwise I'd absolutely setup my auto feeder.
     
  12. MINE TOO! What's up with that?! He only eats mysis shrimp or live copepods. The little brat went through a full bottle of Reef Nutrition pods before I started defrosting mysis for him. That bottle of Reef Nutrition pods cost more than he did!
     
  13. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    I find cleaner shrimp to be very effective cleanup crew. What's the water change schedule like? Skimmer?
     
  14. aqua-nut

    aqua-nut Supporting Member

    This is how I interpret the 'small stomach, feed often' issue.

    In the wild fish eat all the time. They haven't developed the ability to eat large amounts at once like lions or wolves. One gut load might not be enough to keep the fish in best health or disposition.

    Since the fish can only eat so much at one feeding, it's best to feed less than the max, but feed it several times per day. It's almost impossible to completely duplicate their natural habit, but one feeding/day is way different than the natural process.

    Use your auto feeder. Find food most of your fish will eat and use that. For the picky fish, feed them as many times/day as you can with the food they will eat. No need to make the other fish suffer just because one is picky.

    Over time the picky eaters might get the hint and start eating with the others. They might also fail to thrive and need to be removed.

    +1 to the Cleaner Shrimp comment. Not only do they do a great job of finding and eating the missed food bits, but my non-reefkeeping friends are always drawn to them.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2014
  15. BAYMAC

    BAYMAC Guest

    You listen to Calfo? He suggests a pH above 8.5 as a low and tank temps around 85f.

    http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2012/3/chemistry

     
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  16. Not to hijack, but yes, I listen to Calfo. I listen to him the same way I listen to all the speakers I've seen and books I've read, with a grain of salt. You can't take one person's word on everything. I saw Steve Tyree a few weeks ago, and he said he didn't think you get much growth with sps under leds. I have quite a few friends that can prove him wrong. ;)
     
  17. BAYMAC

    BAYMAC Guest

    Guess I know too much about him to even give him that,,,,
     
  18. aqua-nut

    aqua-nut Supporting Member

    Thanks for relinking to that phosphate article. It's great.

    Every time I hear/read someone talking about rinsing I think about that article.

    John --
    skeptic in training...
     
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  19. Vincerama2

    Vincerama2 Evil Overlord

    The bottom of my tank looks horrible from the fish poop. I thought I was feeding too much, but I think I'm just feeding incorrectly. I use the one giant feeding after human dinner method. I will set up my eheim to drop some flakes for in-between giant meal.

    V
     
  20. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Do note that he doesn't say that rinsing is bad, just that he doesn't think it has any effect. Which I'm hesitant to lean towards either

    Now unless I'm reading this wrong and doing the math wrong in my head... and that's a distinct possibility as I grade some of my students papers.... *pulls out hair*

    Now lets say you feed 2 of these cubes a day x 30 days, that's 60 times the original value of a single cube which does put it on target with tank levels. So over time it could become quite significant unless you have some level of export.

    That being said, I was never specifically saying frozen foods add phosphates, simply the concentration of food that the mysis eats, after peeling back the layers will have the food that all that undesirably algae likes to eat.
     

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