Phosphate question...
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iCon
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Gah...another lesson learned I suppose. I pushed the limits with bioload and am paying the price. It's ok...I was getting tired of the birdsnest in my tank anyways. :~ Strange, but glad my acros are doing quite well. Instead of trying to trap/catch fish, it looks like I'll just take the whole thing apart and swap tanks. It needed to be done anyway due to this one having a cracked brace.
Speaking of acros.. I picked up this completely browned out piece from an old timer. Turned dark minty green (if there is such a thing) and has blue/purple tips. Kinda cool. He told me the name but I forgot since it was brown at the time. Ideas on ID?
Speaking of acros.. I picked up this completely browned out piece from an old timer. Turned dark minty green (if there is such a thing) and has blue/purple tips. Kinda cool. He told me the name but I forgot since it was brown at the time. Ideas on ID?
I was curious as well, always wanting to know the science behind these things.houser said:
So while waiting for formal verification of a netlist against source Verilog (two can complain), I looked around a bit.
I found the more usual explanation - added phosphates cause more nuisance Algae growth, crowding out Coral.
But no direct cause. Seems like the symbiotic algae in coral should like extra phosphates.
There are certainly lots of reports of it causing problems even with the lack of visible algae issues. So must be some reason.
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GreshamH
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tuberider said:
This^^^
like an old timer once told me "If it ain't growing, it's dying". Not true in all respects but there is a grain of truth to be had with it.
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rygh said:
Where is that cited? Phosphate is needed for bone development but at imbalanced levels can cause hypocalcemia, robbing the body of its calcium via bone resorption. Its often seen in patients with kidney disease hence the reason why we have drugs like renagel, renvela, phoslo, and fosrenol.
Eventhough it may be needed, I wouldnt say it increases calcification. Believe me, if all biological processes involved in the human body applied to our tanks id be the first to dose vitamin d, growth hormone, and calcium to grow a colony from a frag overnight.
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GreshamH
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phosphate is a building block of life, not a poison
tuberider
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finalphaze987 said:rygh said:
Where is that cited? Phosphate is needed for bone development but at imbalanced levels can cause hypocalcemia, robbing the body of its calcium via bone resorption. Its often seen in patients with kidney disease hence the reason why we have drugs like renagel, renvela, phoslo, and fosrenol.
Eventhough it may be needed, I wouldnt say it increases calcification. Believe me, if all biological processes involved in the human body applied to our tanks id be the first to dose vitamin d, growth hormone, and calcium to grow a colony from a frag overnight.
Yep, look into studies on folks that drink a ton of soda, the body gets all confused and thinks phosphate is calcium, strange. Very similar to metabolic bone disease in reptiles.
finalphaze987
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GreshamH said:phosphate is a building block of life, not a poison
Very true
finalphaze987
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a couple years ago there was an OTC laxative (fleet phospho soda) comprised of NaPO4 and Na2PO4 used for bowel prep in surgical procedures and colonoscopys. It was pulled from the market by the FDA due to it being linked to the cause of acute renal neuropathy. Irriversable damage to the kidneys would be caused by CaPO4 deposits.
these deposits were caused by phosphate PRICIPITATION (think kidney stones). Similar cases can be seen in people with high intake of soda on a regular basis (as mentioned by Jeremy) Bones became brittle due to inadequate calcification during bone turnover. Most Ca was lost in serum concentrations and deposited in renal tubules. If anything, one of many notable for increasing bone calcification would be vitamin D.
My third year in pharmacy school i took special interest in the medications developed to treat this, especially Fosrenol (lanthium carbonate). As we know, lanthium chloride is a widly used PO4 reducer used in aquaria today.
I always looked for ways to link clinical knowledge to my tank every chance i got. In the end, i found it difficult due to the fact that bone is primarily CaPo4 and coral is CaCO3. I helped a few peers of mine from ACSM (american College of Sports Medicine) write a few articles on the topic published on mayoclinic, webMD, livestrong.com, and kaiser drug education coordination articles a few years back.
these deposits were caused by phosphate PRICIPITATION (think kidney stones). Similar cases can be seen in people with high intake of soda on a regular basis (as mentioned by Jeremy) Bones became brittle due to inadequate calcification during bone turnover. Most Ca was lost in serum concentrations and deposited in renal tubules. If anything, one of many notable for increasing bone calcification would be vitamin D.
My third year in pharmacy school i took special interest in the medications developed to treat this, especially Fosrenol (lanthium carbonate). As we know, lanthium chloride is a widly used PO4 reducer used in aquaria today.
I always looked for ways to link clinical knowledge to my tank every chance i got. In the end, i found it difficult due to the fact that bone is primarily CaPo4 and coral is CaCO3. I helped a few peers of mine from ACSM (american College of Sports Medicine) write a few articles on the topic published on mayoclinic, webMD, livestrong.com, and kaiser drug education coordination articles a few years back.