Rygh's 250 gallon upgrade

Discussion in 'Tank Journals' started by rygh, Jul 17, 2010.

  1. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Hey, lime/limestone is not listed for the Sakrete! Looks like what I want.
    Where did you buy it??
    Thanks!
     
  2. iani

    iani Guest

    I got mine at home depot in a bucket. I think they had 2 sizes. They were both pretty cheap.
     
  3. Tumbleweed

    Tumbleweed Guest

    It comes in grey and in white.
     
  4. gimmito

    gimmito Supporting Member

    I guess I'm getting the "BIG" bucket. ;)
     
  5. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

  6. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Power supplies are in and wired up.
    24V + 12V + 5V
    For Lights, Fans, Micro-controller, and other electronics.
    Made a small box, with a fan on top for cooling, and screen to keep up the spiders and sawdust.
    Mounted up an well away from any moisture.
    The wires go to the correct spots from the supplies, but are not hooked to anything.

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  7. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    A maze of wires, rather like my plumbing.
    And really full.
    But I managed to squeeze in a spot on lower left. But of course, I bought the wrong breaker.
    Type NOM, not HOM. The N looks almost exactly like the H, and they almost fit, but not quite.
    You would think there would be a single standard...
    Planning on two 20 amp circuits. You can see my conduit coming into box at lower left.

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  8. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

  9. JAR

    JAR Supporting Member

    strange looking fitting coming in to your panel.
     
  10. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Box-Scaping
    I cut up some cardboard and placed some boxes to get a general idea of aqua-scaping plan.

    The theory is to have a bowl like area on the left. So rock/coral go all around a central
    open area. With just some low corals on the sand in the middle.
    The central box is a raised platform like area for SPS. Actual will be a bit lower.
    The right side will have one big pillar in the middle. Maybe two. Still tweaking that side.

    The plan is to build the left part first, out of cemented rubble, place it, and then completely
    change the plan.

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  11. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    The problem was lack of access to the outside of the metal panel box, so it is a conduit pipe
    end with a flex clamp screwed in. Odd but effective, and legitimate electrical parts.
     
  12. JAR

    JAR Supporting Member

    I don't think it would pass an electrical inspection.
    MC cable have special fittings.
    Legitimate electrical parts they are but possibly not the right application.
    you may want to clean that up before you sell your house.
     
  13. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Been doing a fair amount of electrical work.
    Started a few diagrams, did one of the simpler boxes under the tank.
    Also fixed up the main breaker box a bit. It was a bit embarrassing like that.
    I have not started on the complex parts yet though - relay board and controller board.
    Plumbing is almost done. Chance of water tomorrow!

    I don't normally do fancy drawings for simple electrical boxes. But it really helps to print a copy
    and post it near the box, so years from now, I know how it is connected when something goes screwy.

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    (Red one on left is a different circuit, so micro-controller can turn off some pumps at night.)

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  14. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    WATER IN THE TANK!!!! :party:
    Testing it out with tap water.
    Yipee!!!!!

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    But oops - should have stopped while I was ahead. :(
    Well, I probably needed to wash out the inside of my garage anyway.


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    Not a big deal. Anyone care to guess at what went wrong?
    The first picture has a big hint in it. (And no, it was not the kid)
     
  15. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    The flood was due to a boneheaded move on my part.
    I put in an extra tube on the return to keep it from splashing as I filled it.
    But then the football game started..
    So I turned everything off, and watched the game.
    Then noticed --- Hmm, sure seems like the water went down a couple of inches.
    That little extra tube siphoned the water through the return, back to the sump, which
    overflowed and flooded the garage.
    No damage, but wow, a couple of inches in the main tank is a lot of water.
     
  16. 99sf

    99sf Guest

    What a great assistant! Enthusiastic and hard-working.
     
  17. screebo

    screebo Guest

    I've forgotten that I was filling my ATO reservoir and found it a minute after it began overflowing. Like you, I felt it was a perfect occasion to mop the kitchen floor! Necessity is the mother................
    When filling my 5 gallon RO drinking water bottles, I do it in the kitchen sink so that any overflow won't cause collateral damage. Funny that after about 15 minutes of filling, I tend to be well entrenched in other things.

    The tank looks great, nice start and great to have a helper too!
     
  18. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Yep, he is a great helper. Plus loves to pick out and name the fish.
    I tried getting him his own freshwater tank, but no interest. Likes the fancy one too much.
    Probably sell it one of these days.
    Downside - he gave me a cold. Kids are notorious for that.

    It is full now!
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    ISSUES:
    1) The overflows make a bit more noise than anticipated. Need to raise the water level.
    2) A few unexpected bubbles from the turf scrubber, but they are large, not microbubbles, and
    are pretty minimal, so I may leave them.
    3) Quiet-One pumps are seriously NOT very quiet.
    I think they should be called Not-Loud pumps.
    I would be quite annoyed if they were in the main living room.
    4) Only 3 small leaks, all exactly the same place - at the pump exit.
    I did not want to tighten it too much, to avoid damaging the pump.
    Bit of extra teflon tape an silicone, and everything looks perfect.
    5) I totally over-built the pipes.
    I planned at least 75% extra, but I could probably run 3X the water.
    Oh well, just a bit of extra hassle and cost.
    As a bonus - no worries as things grow in the pipe.

    I am going to change the exit bulkheads to the ATS pumps.
    If I get a pipe/pump/tubing/joint failure, the tank would empty about 3/4 of the water.
    If I raise the input strainers near the top, it is a lot less risky.
    A bit ugly, but when painted, should not show.

    Overall -- very happy.
     
  19. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    I managed to get the overflows dead-quiet.
    Very happy with that. Had to tweak things a fair amount, but it worked.
    And they truly are dead quiet. Laminar flow down the sides, a short distance, and zero noise.

    BUT: I am very unhappy with the pump noise.
    One pump on is not so bad.
    But with all 3 on, the vibrations really get going. And they transmit through the walls a bit.
    Not loud by any means. The TV on easily drowns it out. But it vibrates a bit up to the bedroom,
    and I am pretty picky.

    I am also unhappy with turf scrubber flow.
    Even with nice big pipe, I expected a fair bit of head-loss due to lengths/bends/etc.
    But seems that the flow curve is worse than expected on these pumps.

    So really considering a different strategy on the pump situation.
    An expensive change as well. Grr.

    1) For the sump return, I can stick with the Q1-4000, but put it inside the sump, instead of outside.
    I get extra heat transfer, but not that bad. And connected with flex tube, and inside the sump,
    I am sure it will be completely quiet.

    2) For the ATS returns, I need 2 x 700 GPH total at about a 3' head.
    I have a leftover Pan World 50PX-X from a different build, which is also a fairly high flow but low pressure pump.
    I might try that, since I have it already.
    I know an Iwaki MD55RLT would handle it. But besides the expense, it draws quite a bit of power.
    Plus, both the Pan World and Iwaki are not exactly quiet.
    And I get a lot more heat transfer than I would like.
    Also thinking of going to a ReeFlo Goby Gold or similar in the 2500 range. Split with valves.

    Ideas welcome!
     
  20. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Well, I replaced the Q1-4000 with a PW 50PX-X.
    Fortunately, the inlet/outlet is basically identical.
    Supposedly 1017 GPH -> 1100 GPH. Very close one would think.
    HA - Not even remotely the same. J)
    I think the Pan-World was close to double the flow.
    And that was with EXACTLY the same plumbing.
    In fact, there is so much flow I need to valve it back a bit.

    Noise is a lot better as well - (for me).
    The pump itself makes more noise, but it has a small built in fan that is making most of it.
    I do not really hear any induced vibration.
    Since the pump is in the garage, the fan noise is irrelevant, whereas induced vibration is key.
     

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