WIBGI: We had a list of captive raised animals... and where to get them?

Discussion in 'Wouldn't it be good if...?' started by sfsuphysics, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Now I'm not talking corals, those are easy.

    I'm talking fish! And beyond clownfish too, everyone knows Clownfish go to Robin or ORA (although I'd personally go to Robin just to save on the jet fuel).

    But I'm curious what other fish are out there that are being raised in captivity that are available to the public? Rich's talk touched on some of them, although I wasn't taking notes :D I recently saw that RCT in Hawaii (which currently isn't doing any breeding according to their website) has successfully bred Fisher's, Lemonpeel, Flame, Multicolor, & Inturruptus angels, however except for the interruptus I don't think I've ever seen/heard of the others being for sale (perhaps they were prohibitively expensive compared to the cost of wild caught?)

    Anyways it'd be nice to add something like this to the resource page, maybe have one thread where people can chime in, and another thread locked and regularly updated listing where to get captive raised fish, shrimp, whatever.
     
  2. patchin

    patchin Facilities / Event Coordinator

    Excellent idea, Mike. Definitely fits our mission statement. It would be interesting to know the cost difference between wild caught and captive propagated.
     
  3. bookfish

    bookfish Guest

    I guess I have some interest in this discussion. LOL
    Right now, to pay the farmers/ breeders fairly, and compete with wildstock prices, the margins for the retailer must be low. Luckily on the species side there are more available every day. In fact this morning I was talking with Jake about a RB announcement of a new species from ORA. And no, I won't spill the beans but it's something we all have wanted very badly for a long, long time!
     
  4. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Well I'm willing to accept that captive bred cost more, however it has to be not an extreme amount more, which I think might be the issue with the other RCT Centropyge species, as a flame angel cost what? $20 or so wild caught? Can't imagine they can bred them for that anywhere even in the same ballpark as that cheap
     
  5. patrickb

    patrickb Supporting Member

    Bookfish--I hate secrets. Spill the beans damn it. Spill them! Don't make me find Jack Bauer. :) I really hope its wrasse or angel though.

    Anyways, Mike here are some other places that I found where you can get fish/inverts commercially

    Fish--Proaquatix--they shut down for a while but should be up and running again.
    http://www.proaquatix.com/

    C--Quest--Not sure if this guy is still in business
    http://www.c-questfarms.com/about_us/about_us.htm

    Seahorses:
    http://www.oceanrider.com/

    Snails--Indo Pacific Sea Farms--Some of their goods are maricultured instead of strictly tank bred.

    More fish/Shrimps--these guys are in England--I would love to see what their current species list includes and do a big group order from them (especially if they have cleaner shrimps)--Maybe Jim's new store can get some of their goods.
    http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/hatchery/species-list.asp

    Clownfish--This lady is also currently breeding a bunch of other stuff right now but its not commercially available
    http://kathysclowns.com/default.aspx

    Clownfish--Australian breeder:
    http://www.sustainableaquatics.com/index.php

    German Breeder--I would love to know what their current species list is:
    http://www.pro-marin.de/

    Then there is this dude in France--I wish I could read French! Looks like he breeds Mandarins, Watchmen Gobies, Grammas. I would also love to get an order from him as well.
    http://lautanproduction.com/produits.htm

    There's also a bunch of private breeders around the world that breed mandarins, pipefish, sea urchins, firefish, triggers, bettas, top hats, devil fish, etc. in small numbers. They breed on a very limited basis and convincing them to sell their fish is tricky and often hit or miss.

    Patrick
     
  6. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    C-Quest is for sure in business, that's who's doing the Wyoming Whites ;)

    Pro-Aquatics is pretty much a goner. They shut down years ago to relocate and never got back up. Their parent company is still active but I think they took a big hit a while back.

    Sustainable Aquatics is a new one and a great one. They are in Tennessee not Australia :lol:

    Kathy has plenty of customers and is not seeking any more. She only does clowns.

    Ocean Rider really doesn't sell many horses, they make their money on tours of the facility.

    TMC shipping to the US would make the cost of goods 10X what they'd cost normally. Only one place can get those and that would be Quality Marine. Ditto with the French breeder accept there is no source for them in the US. Shipping from the EU to the US costs a lot, plus the poor exchange rate and the fact Europeans pay more for their livestock would make it 10X if not more then it normally would cost. Forget using EU breeders, it's a total pipe dream that will never come about.

    Seahorse Aquatics in San Diego has interesting fish (no seahorses).

    Mike the RTC stuff was hundreds of dollars. Remember Sang's Interruptus? The pair cost him like $800+. The flames were like $300+ or more. I have a feeling Frank will not be setting back up from talking to friends he and I have in common. He has to live the job, meaning 24/7.

    FWIW I deal with nearly every MO hatchery there is. I will data mine at some point for this thread.

    Just go to www.marinebreeder.com and hit the market place to find sources. Most are listed there.
     
  7. screebo

    screebo Guest

    Some nice little captive raised blennies and gobys at Ultimate Aquarium in San Mateo yesterday. Really nice little guys, I picked up a couple. They embrace offering tank raised livestock and I always ask
     
  8. patrickb

    patrickb Supporting Member

    thanks for the 411 Gresham. I would love to know what other places breed saltwater ornamentals.
     
  9. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Meh more like 511 (road conditions) as I really didn't add much :) I will data mine alter for some though :)
     
  10. bookfish

    bookfish Guest

    Don't forget Morgan at Inland Aquatics!
    http://www.inlandaquatics.com/
     
  11. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Morgan doesn't really supply anyone other then end users so he's more a hobbyist breeder then anything IMO/IME. His whole "tank raised" / "captive raised" deal is a bit outdated as well. Not to knock Morgan, he;s a great guy and runs a great outfit....and he can drink the entire club under the table!!!!
     
  12. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Yeah what exactly is tank raised vs captive raised? Did he just get super young juveniles and hold them to adult hood?
     
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    seminolecpa Past President


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  14. GreshamH

    GreshamH Guest

    Dude you are so going down. Morgan is bottomless I tell you :lol:

    I can hang like 1/5 the night with him and I can drink like no ones business (it used to be mine in fact :lol:)
     

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