Jury Duty

Discussion in 'The Eutrophic Zone' started by Mark B, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. Mark B

    Mark B Supporting Member

    I dont mind doing my civic duty but there has to be a better way. I may (or may not) have to report and because I wont know til the last minute - it kinda sucks!! I cannot schedule anything for tomorrow or the whole next week -total loss of income for the self employed. I think a computer should randomly pick 12 people that are your jury. It would be unbiased and the other 480 of us could keep being productive citizens.
     
  2. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Hehehe... always got a laugh out of that concept of "civic duty", I could go into a rant here but I won't :D
     
  3. Mark B

    Mark B Supporting Member

    Feel free to rant! I don't mind sitting in judgment of others, it's the whole hanging in limbo that gets me
     
  4. tankguy

    tankguy Vice President

    pick me and Im throwing my feet up to watch the show.
     
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  5. Mark B

    Mark B Supporting Member

    Well just to drag it out, now I need to call in at 11 and be ready to travel to any court in San Mateo County on short notice.
     
  6. JVU

    JVU Supporting Member

    It is the only form of institutionalized incarceration of the innocent in our country that I’m aware of.
     
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  7. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    Completely agree with mark. Don't mind doing my part, but the uncertainty and inability to plan ahead are crippling. Especially for us self employed people.
     
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  8. Mark B

    Mark B Supporting Member

    Whoa there! I beg to differ. If our justice system is based on the premise of "innocent until proven guilty" Then wouldn't that mean that mean that all of those people that are sitting in jail waiting for their court date are presumably innocent? They haven't yet been proven guilty, yet they are suffering from institutionalized incarceration of the innocent?
     
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  9. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    And don't forget the poor, especially poverty stricken minority's. They've been targeted by our government for decades at least. All sorts of laws geared at keeping prisons full.
     
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  10. Tmjvb

    Tmjvb Supporting Member

    *facepalm*
     
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  11. JVU

    JVU Supporting Member

    Well the difference is that they have been formally accused of a crime, so it isn’t the same thing. And people arrested and released on bail are debatably more free than random people forced onto a jury for a long trial.

    Though I for sure agree that it is outrageous how long the system can hold someone before they get their day in court. A significant number of times even after they are found guilty and sentenced they have already served their sentence. The flip side is that a huge number of people found innocent have served the same sentence they would have if they were guilty while they were awaiting "justice".
     
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  12. Coral reefer

    Coral reefer President

    Not sure what that means, hopefully I haven't gone too far... but I did forget to include underserved mentally ill people too. I'll stop now and hope this doesn't get too political.
     
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  13. Mark B

    Mark B Supporting Member

    All good! Not political at all. Just an old guy (me) blowin' off some steam. I am better now:confused:
     
  14. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    My biggest pet peeve is when some system is horribly inefficient, including jury duty. Not saying people aren't trying their best to get this working well, but I've seen a lot more complicated processes streamlined. Incentives are probably the cause (e.g. complicated situations that have a huge monetary upside are iterated on hard.)
     
  15. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Didn't they used to give you $5/day to serve on a jury, but the kicker was only if you served more than a single day. That is so wrong on so many levels, first you're only going to pay you after we get a "free" day out of you, and then on top of that $5 a day is a slap in the face.

    A quick google shows that it's now $15 in California after the first day, so yay, you can buy yourself lunch.
     
  16. Mark B

    Mark B Supporting Member

    And.....dismissed
     
  17. Ibn

    Ibn Supporting Member

    Had to report to the SC Hall of Justice for jury duty a few months back. It was already bad that my day was wasted, but when I was out of lunch, someone took out the right front end of my car and I had to file against my comprehensive for it. Way more painful than it should have been.
     
  18. ashburn2k

    ashburn2k Supporting Member

    can you explain how does 'file against my comprehensive' work?
     
  19. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics Supporting Member

    Unknown party did the damage so insurance can't go after anyone, you basically pay whatever your deductable happens to be, i.e. it's the same as if it's your fault, except I don't think they ding you with points.
     
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  20. Ibn

    Ibn Supporting Member

    That's exactly what it is. It's coverage by the insurance company for damages that aren't deemed your fault . It's usually for vandalism, theft (usually under home instead of auto though), etc., where they can't go after the party at fault.
     

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