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Coral IDs for the upcoming swap

Well I didn't really want to have this "argument" so lets get back to the topic of this thread which is ID'ing corals. The swap is over but i'm just bringing this up because the orange creamsicle sparked my interest and I looked it up and it looks a lot like the one I have. Just wanted confirmation is all I wanted. I know its hard to do with this particular one but opinions would be nice. At the end of the day I like the coral and will be fragging and giving it away if anyone is interested. I don't sell corals, I just grow em and give away so I have no motive from a money perspective. reefing is purely a hobby for me.
 
Well I didn't really want to have this "argument" so lets get back to the topic of this thread which is ID'ing corals. The swap is over but i'm just bringing this up because the orange creamsicle sparked my interest and I looked it up and it looks a lot like the one I have. Just wanted confirmation is all I wanted. I know its hard to do with this particular one but opinions would be nice. At the end of the day I like the coral and will be fragging and giving it away if anyone is interested. I don't sell corals, I just grow em and give away so I have no motive from a money perspective. reefing is purely a hobby for me.
Could take a frag of yours and glue it next to a known piece and see if they fuse.
 
I try to grade my more valuable corals.

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I see hardiness as applying to a specific species and not as the same scale for all types of corals. This for some reason specifically applies more toward acropora and SPS where there are some types that are easier to keep alive than others. This doesn't happen as much with torches for example, generally if you can keep a basic yellow tip purple tenticle torch alive, you can keep a holy grail alive.

From there within sps and acropora, you definitely have the collectors who want the nicely colors acros. That usually falls within the lineaged more expensive corals which when comparing those to nicely colored wild caught is no real comparison on hardiness level.

I've personally brought in a direct indo shipment of acro colonies, had them in the same tank as lineaged pieces I had and saw all the wild caught colonies slowly die. After about 6 months, I maybe had 2 colonies left out of 40. While the lineage pieces in that tank were still thriving. So given the statement that these are expensive due to exclusivity, I'd say they're expensive because they will survive in the right tank parameters. (Not loosing their colors is a nice bonus). My money would've been better spent on the equivalent dollar value of lineage pieces.

Trying to compare those to a green stag, stylos and digis or other coral species we trade and can withstand a wide variety of tank parameters just doesn't work because their on a different level in my opinion. Those corals (along with almost all corals) are great, don't get me wrong. But it's the part of taking a hobby and wanting to get as good as you can in it. And for some, that means keeping harder to keep corals and the satisfaction of actually being able to do it.

It's not for everyone and it's fine that not everyone feels the same, but we should all respect each other's opinions. It should be a discussion and not an argument.
I agree completely with everything you are saying. And from your perspective of a person deciding what to buy and what to sell and for how much, it entirely makes sense. Perspective is everything with this.

I’m just saying that that is not what’s going on here. No one in the club is transshipping fresh collected coral from other side of the world and immediately swapping or trading it. By definition none of the coral being traded in the club is that. All are being grown out in people’s tanks, then swapped/sold/DBTC’d/traded. Many have been in club tanks for years, much longer than how long a seller keeps an import before naming and selling it. And they have whatever colors they have. I’m comparing the difference between 2 acros that look the same after being in captivity for years, one with a lineaged fancy name given by a seller, and the other that doesn’t have the lineage (but might be the same thing). That is what the debate is that happens here over and over.

And even if we want to stick with sticks, fancy named SPS absolutely do lose value if they’ve been out longer and grow well. And others retain or even increase in value if they grow slowly or are hard to keep alive. Many examples. Supply and demand, with collectorism pumping demand.
 
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