kinetic Reefer 170

Discussion in 'Tank Journals' started by kinetic, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. Flagg37

    Flagg37 Officer at large

    It seems like all your efforts are making things worse not better. I don’t remember my dinos were that bad and I hardly did anything to rid the tank of them.
  2. ashburn2k

    ashburn2k Webmaster

    That’s why I don’t like small tanks, so hard to get everything dialed in Perfect auto pilot mode.

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  3. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    I will definitely need to do manual removal! It's really easy to blow off rocks, and the sand is easy to vacuum. I'm trying not to do too many water changes so I can keep the NO3/PO4 in check, but maybe I'll do small bits of it every day.
  4. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    I have a microscope. If you are near Union City, drop by with a sample.
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  5. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Thanks Mark! I might have to take you up on that.
  6. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Tried to suck up as much of the dinos as possible in another water change. I then blasted it all off the rock and hope most of it gets caught in my filter cup filter and my skimmer.

    I dosed about 5ppm of Nitrates today. Phosphates are dropping a bit since I haven't dosed aminos. Crossing my fingers more algae can take over tomorrow.
  7. tankguy

    tankguy BOD

    your set up is insanely clean
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  8. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Thanks! Unfortunately my tank is now full of dinos. Thick mats grow over everything. I'm using a baster to blast it off of my SPS nubs every couple hours. One already STN'd. My BTAs are now completely shrivled up (though my Magnifica seems unaffected).

    I'm going to suck the dinos manually out again before dinner.

    I'm now dosing 5ppm of nitrates and keeping phosphates around 24ppb. More green algae, but way too much dino.

    My plan:
    1. Keep doing manual removal (vacuuming up with water changes) daily
    2. Keep dosing to keep nitrates / phosphates higher
    3. Try to grow Chaeto to outcompete the dinos
    4. If all else fails, dose DinoX after lights out and hope the anemones don't die
  9. ashburn2k

    ashburn2k Webmaster

    I can host your bta if you are concerned

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  10. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Thanks Hui! I'll reach out if I think they need a temp home. Really appreciate it.
  11. rygh

    rygh Supporting Member

    Anemones can generally eat larger food particles and get the nutrition they need.
    So I would spot feed them instead of dosing.

    I really think with the dosing you are mostly just feeding the dinos.

    Have you thought about hydrogen peroxide dosing?
  12. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    I'm not actually dosing for anemones. I'm dosing to increase my NO3/PO4.

    The idea is to increase NO3/PO4 enough to grow non-dino algae. Ultimately, that algae will consume the NO3/PO4 that's produced in the tank, rather than the dinos. The chaeto that's coming next week should help with that as well.

    The nems should be fine with just the light. I do spot feed some mysis to my BTAs every couple days. The Magnifica I'm hoping I can keep from growing too fast, so I don't feed it at all (on purpose).
  13. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Dosing today up to:
    NO3: 5ppm
    PO4: 0.2ppm

    Manual removal of as much dinos as I could get. Still plenty.

    I'm going to keep this up for a few more days. Crossing my fingers!
  14. ashburn2k

    ashburn2k Webmaster

    How bad is it? We need a picture!

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  15. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Another update:

    NO3 didn't drop at all, maybe a little less purple?
    PO4 dropped a lot

    More green algae. I'm hoping this is a good sign, though the dinos are still growing in full force. uGH!
  16. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    My all time favorite coral is the Hawkins Enchinata. Ever since I started reefing. I never had any success, but my latest tank it was doing great. Coloring up, encrusting. I was worried my dinos would kill it. But it was one of the few SPS that kept alive. Well, today the dinos have done it. I found it covered and when I blasted the dinos off, the skeleton is totally white.

    So out of all my corals, I'm down to one digitata. The dinos are growing like mad.

    Manual removal and a steady dosing of PO3/NO3 doesn't seem to be working for me. I might throw in the towel and dose some DinoX this weekend. Really bummed.
  17. kinetic

    kinetic Webmaster

    Photos, finally! Here it is, probably the worst shape I've ever seen a tank.

    Ammonia: 0
    Nitrites: 0
    Nitrates: 5ppm
    Phosphates: 0.5ppm
    Ca: 440
    Alk: 8
    Mg: 1680



    I haven't cleaned the glass in almost a week so that green algae can grow, which is why it's kind of hard to see. But there's a ton of dinos everywhere. The overflow is full of it too. Nothing is happy in there. SPS are mostly dead now. Lost a turbo snail, two scarlet hermits, and two tiny fighting conches. So far the BTAs haven't died yet, but they're usually shrivled up. Magnifica seems to not give any damns.

    Same patch of sand a month ago:


    So I did a 20% water change after blasting as much dinos off the rocks as possible, and siphoned tons of sand. Still plenty left over, but I did my best. Then I dosed DinoX. Yep. F THEM ALL. I'll let it ride out for 2 days, then another 20% water change, put carbon back in, add chaeto, and start dosing PO4/NO3 again. We'll see how it goes. I'll keep doing DinoX + 20% changes for about a week.
  18. scuzy

    scuzy Supporting Member

    Dino X works

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  19. jorahx4

    jorahx4 Supporting Member

    That is one massive anemone.

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  20. JVU

    JVU Supporting Member

    Thank you for sharing. Your photography is so beautiful I’m sure it’s painful to post. But it also makes your images much more useful to the community since we can really see what you see. Best of luck with the Dino-X treatment.

    Seems like some species are susceptible and some aren’t. It definitely looks like dinoflagellates but I’m curious if you ever confirmed and speciated with a microscope?

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